Moving to France

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Johnsy

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Posted At: 06/11/2007 16:27:48

As we seem to have a few members with homes in France, I'd like to start a thread for those of us wishing to make the move. Basically, I want to pick your brains and use your experience so that my move is as smooth as possible. Initially, I want to spend the winter in France and the summer in England. So my first question is - How do you manage the personal transport situation? My understanding is that you are only supposed to use a UK registered car for 3 months at a stretch. Is this right? How do cope if you want to spend 5 or 6 months?
bridget2498t

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Posted At: 06/11/2007 16:39:59

Hi there, may i suggest logging onto French Property news, they are very good and keep you up to date with all legal issues on tax wills soscial security issues etc. The car issue is as you say you can only use the car for 3 months (90) this is in conjunction with only staying the 3 months without the appropriate papers. However you can leave the country for a day or two during your stay, ie spain, Germany Italy, then return and you start your 3 months again.
kasseistamper

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Posted At: 07/11/2007 10:51:25

The 'hidden' problem with using any car abroad is insurance.
OK, a 'green card' covers you for taking and driving your car abroad on holiday but the situation is different if you are (or if your insurers think that you are) in reality living abroad either temporarily or permanently.
The small print of you policy requires you to tell your insurers of any 'significant change' in the details on which they based the issuing of a policy - and the premium that they charged. Moving abroad or, even, living abroad for longer than can reasonably be seen as a holiday (particularly if you own a property abroad) are definitely classed as 'significant changes' and could be used by your insurers as a reason to refuse any claim that you might make. In other words you would be seen as uninsured with all the consequences that that might lead to in case of an accident.
Also, the idea of leaving the country for a day or two is great in principle but the local police are not stupid and will soon realise that a UK registered car that has been in their area for more than 3 months SHOULD be properly registered and MAY be unisured.
This, of course, is not exclusive to UK cars or France; it applies equally to a French person moving to UK and, in fact, to anyone who moves 'abroad' and takes a car registered in another country.
The potential risks of not notifying your insurers of exactly what you are doing are too serious to leave to chance.
sugarloaf

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Posted At: 07/11/2007 11:29:05

If you need any advise on moving ,try the Angloinfo site,its a site for people who have made the move or want help and advise if your thinking of.From this site you can also hop to any other country,it has all legal,working,or any other topic you wish to know about.
Peter22370

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Posted At: 07/11/2007 20:19:21

I can't give you any more or better advice than that given already on the issues surrounding car insurance and registration but I do recommend this website www.frenchentree.com
It is an excellent source of information for anyone planning to move to France or buy property there.
Faye

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Posted At: 07/11/2007 20:26:51

Look into the new tax laws Johnsy. The French have begun to come down hard on second home owners (you say you'd like to spend six months there and six months in England) also they have withdrawn the reciprocal health agreement and private (British) health insurance only tends to cover you for 90 days. Just a couple of things to consider.
JohnnyR

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Posted At: 12/11/2007 21:40:46

Johnsy

One or two UK insurers will allow you to take your car out of the UK for 180 days each year fully comp without declaring your departure before you go. I'm probably not allowed to tell you which one but I found it through Google. Maybe this forum's sponsor also, I haven't checked? I also had a minor accident last Xmas in France which was at least 50% my fault and they even honoured the no claims bonus guarantee. I spend about 5 months a year in France but not all at once so this works for me at present.

If you spend more than 180 days in France you become resident in France for tax purposes and you should probably buy a French car(then you can use it in England as French insurance always comes with an automatic green card). There is no Road Tax in France but their insurance premiums tend to be higher, I think. Second hand cars in France also look ridiculously expensive to me.

You are not supposed to keep a UK-reg car in France more than 3 months non-stop but as someone else said there's nothing stopping you taking it over the border somewhere for the weekend. Whatever you do you must keep it taxed with DVLC otherwise it is illegal and the insurance may not work, do not listen to other idiots who tell you otherwise. The authorities are really cracking down on this, effective next year.

BTW, French tax can actually be lower than UK in some circumstances but you need to plan ahead BEFORE you take that plunge. I don't know about the healthcare, if you are on holiday for less than 6 months (might be less) you are partially covered by the UK health card which replaced the old E-form. I got reimbursed about 50% on a claim last summer, depends on what treatment you have done and what tariff your doctor works on. It's also quite difficult to fill in the forms properly and send them off, unless you speak French quite well you'll need help.
EmmSee

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Posted At: 13/11/2007 16:31:35

Johnsy,

We have a 'Maison Secondaire' in France which we visit frequently for a total of 6 months during the year. We are rarely there more than a month at a time, sometimes only 1 or 2 weeks or even a couple of days. We have a motorcaravan that we use to travel back and forth in and to shoot off whilst there for holidays in France Spain, Italy etc. It is a bit big to be nipping down to the shops in at 7.4 metres so looked at buying a car there to keep at the house. Yes, second hand cars can be expensive but there there are a lot of very old but still good ones at reasonable prices. There is no road tax and the CT (MOT) lasts for two years. We ended up buying a 1993 Renault Safrane 2.3 TD for the equivalent of £600 from a local garage, paid them to do any repairs etc to bring it up to CT pass standard, put it through the CT and do the paperwork to register it to us with us just signing where necessary. That added anoth £400 so total now £1000. We went to our local insurance company office in France (who happen to be the same one we use in the UK for two cars and the motorhome) explained exactly our situation and that our house in France was a second home and that the car would be kept there in a locked garage/barn whilst we are away, and they insured it for €300, around £200 give or take, third party, fire and theft. So toal cost for our car for at least two years, not counting any repairs, is around £1200, £50 a month. We can now fly in and out savingthe cost of the motorhome during those months when we don't need it, we have it to use when we do have the motorhome with us.We are flying out next week foe a fortnight and after Christmas again for another fortnight and flight to Stanstead with connecting flights to Dinard return for two are costing us just under £100 in total for both of us for each visit, with priority boarding on some of the flights. We leave home at around 11am and are at our house in France by 7pm local time, a total of 8 hours with a three hour leisurely lunch at Stanstead in between. That's just £25 each per flight ! We can leave the car at Dinard airport for €80 (£50 approx) for a month if we want or we have friends who can pick us up and we do the same for them when required.
I would advise buying in France if I were you.

MC
JohnnyR

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Posted At: 15/11/2007 00:00:30

EmmSee

That looks a pretty good deal, I will run the numbers again and reconsider, thanks for the info.
Johnsy

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Posted At: 20/11/2007 16:45:50

Just back from a week in Tunisia. Thanks to everyone for your input - I'm gradually drawing up a suitable plan of action - there will be lots more questions to come!
Alizio

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Posted At: 01/02/2008 16:58:02

Hi. I have a house in S.Brittany and am in the same predicament, except that I haven't heard about the 3months for using a car - just the one about only having 183 days over there. If I were to stay longer I would be considered a resident and in the tax loop. Horrors!! - I shall watch your space with interest, although I don't yet have much more info on the subject. Alizio
oriole

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Posted At: 04/03/2008 15:36:11


As to basing your income tax here - I wish we could, the threashhold for starting to pay it is higher
here. Unless you have a lot of investments and off-shore funds it is worth looking in to. A number of our friends have their tax base here and they definately benefit. As to health care - if you are in receipt of the UK State Pension you apply for form E121 and register with your local Caisse Primaire d'Assurance Maladie, and you become an overseas claimant on the UK Health service - but that is only if you are permanently resident here. If not you use the European Health Card - which used to be the E111. There are a lot of rumours about being excluded from the French Health Care system, but that applies to very specific cases. There are a lot of people living here that are of working age, and work on the "black" who cannot afford private health care, and it is they that are being targetted, but no-one is left totally without emergency medical care.
Another problem is when you move here before the official UK retirement age, the DWP will issue you with an E106 but that is only valid for a maximum of two years. If that does not bring you to 65 then yes, you will have to have private insurance.

There is a fantastic website " french-entree.com" which has the answers to just about anything you need or want to know, including who to go to where and for what.

regards Oriole
nickydo

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Posted At: 18/08/2008 14:03:59

I'd recognise that face anywhere. Do you remember Nicky as with Bob Mayhew in Kidderminster?
Well I am already here! I arrived at the end of May having bought a village house in Quarante, just outside Capastang about half and hour's drive from Beziers.
So which area are you planning to move to.
In answer to you car tax question, everyone seems to take a different view. I still have english plates and will register in France when someone pushes me. I have done a SORN in the UK as I do not intend to do the two day drive back to the UK on a whim.
But them I know some who still have English plates after many years and some who go back without tax, or maybe do it online for a couple of months.
Have you looked at the Creme de Languedoc site and French Entree sites, they are quite good.
Well tell me all.
Nicola
lce

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Posted At: 18/08/2008 21:04:41

If you become resident in France, (ie you live there) it is illegal to drive a car with foreign plates (ie in this case UK plates) In the country in which you are resident. This is an EU law, not confined to France. I found this out when I became resident in Spain. I can legally drive my Spanish plated car in the UK, but not my UK plated car in Spain (but I could drive it in France) Continuing to drive on UK plates has all kinds of ramifications. Firstly, you would have to take it back every year for its MOT (presumably not a problem if you are going to be back in UK for some time). Also, legally, a car can only be insured in its country of registration. If not MOTed in UK every year, your insurance could be invalid. There are indeed companies that will let you take it abroad for longer than the standard 90 days. Saga used to be one such, and I used to use them before I got residency. If you are going to be resident in France, why not just change the plates for French ones and avoid the hassle.
bond-james-bond

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Posted At: 11/03/2009 21:48:44

hi. I have only just found this tread. I own a Mobile Home Nr Frejus in the south of France and live there from April till The end of September. I fly back and forth from Nice every 4to6 weeks and its only about £60 return. I take the car in April and drive back in September. Last year I sorned my car while I was there and had no problems. The only problem this year will be the exchange rate .
Myklebust

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Posted At: 12/03/2009 17:12:50

Be glad it wasnt Here in Norway, when we became reisdents, and wanted to register our car here, we were asked for £10,000 just to register it, the car was only worth £8000, it went back to the u k to be sold, and we had to buy one here Suzuki sx4 1.9 dci £31000 !!!!!Oops
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