shinytop
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Posted At: 08/02/2010 10:07:32
In my 50 years of driving I've had a wide range of cars of all makes, of all the cars I've had Toyota has by far, been the best. Despite this present trouble I would not change to a different make.
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tecellis
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Posted At: 08/02/2010 10:49:33
That's very interesting Ozone! My friend's Motability car, which I drive, is a Citroen Berlingo and has been sent back twice because I was not happy with the brakes. They told me it was because it was a new, computer driven, system and just needed me to get used to the feel of it. I still don't like them, however, and find it difficult in hill starts. The handbrake doesn't work properly either, but I don't know if that's the same system.
Sonmon
Nope .... Just the baby Citroen C1 and the Peugeot 107 are based on the Toyota ...
The citroen, Peugeot,Toyota super mini all built in the same factory???  |
Ozone
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Posted At: 08/02/2010 11:52:50
That's very interesting Ozone! My friend's Motability car, which I drive, is a Citroen Berlingo and has been sent back twice because I was not happy with the brakes. They told me it was because it was a new, computer driven, system and just needed me to get used to the feel of it. I still don't like them, however, and find it difficult in hill starts. The handbrake doesn't work properly either, but I don't know if that's the same system.
Sonmon
Nope .... Just the baby Citroen C1 and the Peugeot 107 are based on the Toyota ...
The citroen, Peugeot,Toyota super mini all built in the same factory???
yes and many use the same floor pan or chssis, a report on the vauxhall van producer recently in Coventry I think, they were assembling vauxhall vans but also renault and some others
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Pipmk
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Posted At: 08/02/2010 17:43:58
Toyota will fix the faults, Toyota owners will continue to use their investments and the whole thing will soon be forgotten. Not a car I would buy but very well made vehicles and value for money.
As someone said we kill over 3000 people each year on the roads but everyone continues to use them.
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Pookle
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Posted At: 08/02/2010 20:33:03
Never had a minutes problem with my Toyota and will continue to drive it and when I come to change it will buy another. Brilliant customer service from my Toyota garage too. I had a problem many years ago 1979 actually with a sticking accelerator on a Nissan sports car so it's not an unheard of problem. It was soon rectified and I continued to drive the car for some years after.
Toyota will ride out the current difficulty.
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derbyshire man
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Posted At: 08/02/2010 20:38:07
Agree with Pookie. Have had three Yaris and currently a Mk 2 Prius over last 11 years and not a hint of a problem.The Prius is superb..
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Ecopete
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Posted At: 08/02/2010 22:03:48
Agree with Pookie. Have had three Yaris and currently a Mk 2 Prius over last 11 years and not a hint of a problem.The Prius is superb..
I have never had a Toyota but I have a couple of Nissans and a Honda.
I am a big fan of German cars, however, and currently drive a Golf. I have spent more on out of warranty repairs on this car in 18 months than I spent on the Jap cars in total.
In fact, in a total of 7 years "Japanese" motoring I didn't have a single repair bill of any sort over and above servicing, tyres and pads.
Next door has W reg Avensis with 135,000 miles on the clock. Runs like a sowing machine and not a single repair bill. |
steveo
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Posted At: 08/02/2010 22:07:04
I can see why the UK car industry disappeared . . . .. . .. ..
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Ecopete
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Posted At: 08/02/2010 22:18:19
I can see why the UK car industry disappeared . . . .. . .. ..
Except that my Nissans (a Primera and an Almera) and my Honda were all made in the UK!
PS
As was next door's Avensis. Not just in Britain but in Derbyshire where we live! |
steveo
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Posted At: 08/02/2010 23:36:55
But as our good friends would say they are not British owned.
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Pipmk
Posts: 193
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Posted At: 09/02/2010 08:46:16
I can see why the UK car industry disappeared . . . .. . .. ..
The British car industry disappearedfor one simple reason, the same reason that Birmingham is now an industrial wasteland.
When times were good in the 50's and they could sell every car they said they didn't need to invest in new plant., when times were bad in the 70's they said they couldn't afford to invest.
The Japanese and the Germans by then had higher wages and more holidays and their investment in plant per worker was massively more than ours.
Thats aside from the fact that for example British Leyland made a loss of £57 on each £350 Mini it made and the losses increased as the price rose.The outside seaming was to decrease costs, it increased them instead. A combined 60 years plus in Birmingham industry is the background of my father and I, we know of what we speak. |
Ecopete
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Posted At: 09/02/2010 09:25:53
But as our good friends would say they are not British owned.
Well the only volume car producer was British Leyland or Rover as it became. I am not sure you can blame consumers for the collapse of that company. |
Polpo
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Posted At: 09/02/2010 12:03:18
I bet there is an Accountant trimming costs somewhere .....
... I can't help feeling that the American Auto Industry is somewhere stirring up the dirt for their biggest competitors.
Man alive another conspiracy theory - yeah the accountant is called Shergar, the brakes were tested in the tunnel under the Place D'Alma in central Paris and the CEO knows the mob that murdered JFK |
Pipmk
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Posted At: 09/02/2010 13:41:05
I bet there is an Accountant trimming costs somewhere .....
... I can't help feeling that the American Auto Industry is somewhere stirring up the dirt for their biggest competitors.
Man alive another conspiracy theory - yeah the accountant is called Shergar, the brakes were tested in the tunnel under the Place D'Alma in central Paris and the CEO knows the mob that murdered JFK
But then most people on here are not looking for facts or information, they just want to air their mindless prejudices.Paranoia rules. |
steveo
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Posted At: 09/02/2010 15:09:35
Leading from the front?
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Pipmk
Posts: 193
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Posted At: 09/02/2010 15:17:53
Leading from the front?
I've yet to see a rebuttal of my observations on the reason for the decline of the British motor industry, perhaps because mine is based on rxperience and not prejudice. |
mudkid
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Posted At: 09/02/2010 15:31:42
I bet there is an Accountant trimming costs somewhere .....
... I can't help feeling that the American Auto Industry is somewhere stirring up the dirt for their biggest competitors.
Man alive another conspiracy theory - yeah the accountant is called Shergar, the brakes were tested in the tunnel under the Place D'Alma in central Paris and the CEO knows the mob that murdered JFK
In my experience Toyotas are excellent as are most Japanese cars,
but I would rather drive a British car when in the UK do we have any? |
Dan Gleebitz
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Posted At: 09/02/2010 19:55:45
I would have thought that there was never a better time to buy a new Toyota ..... I guess the welcome in the showroom would be overwhelming.
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Oldjim
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Posted At: 09/02/2010 22:00:12
I run a 2002 1000cc with VVT Yaris. Got 82,000 miles on clock. Had to have a new exhaust last year - the original one wore out! Also cost me for a new set of wheel bearings on one wheel. Had to have set of new front brake pads couple or so years ago. Had one set of new tyres and thats all things that have needed replacing since 2002. Dont need a cambelt change as it's a chaincam
There was a recall on it about 3 years ago, part of a brake pipe had to be repositioned, I got two bottles of plonk, a fill up of petrol and car washed
It'll still do a ton+ when needed and at reasonable speeds on long journey will give me 50mpg. Go to Scotland in it quite happily and a round trip to Lake District of around 320 miles on a day out with 4 adults in it ain't a prob.
All manufacturers have recalls and a lot are now learning that stuff made in China aint so cheap as first appears.
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steveo
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Posted At: 09/02/2010 22:00:16
Leading from the front?
I've yet to see a rebuttal of my observations on the reason for the decline of the British motor industry, perhaps because mine is based on rxperience and not prejudice.
In making your statement you did not indicate your role in this, or whether you were an interested observer.
Part of the reason was investment, part was the country did not value it and never became an intelligent purchaser, part was poor management but a major cause was the poor and unionised labour
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