Strawberry

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Posted At: 09/03/2007 17:51:59
Can someone please explain to me why so many people in the UK take (or are given?) early retirement? Does this mean that youngsters find it easier to get a job? What is the reason behind it and is it generally considered a good thing? Thanks for your answers.
Ros
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Mpo

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Posted At: 09/03/2007 20:29:42
It's a very good question. I don't know whether my story illuminates the issue at all because I have taken early retirement.
In late October 2004, I was looking through my in tray after a couple of days away from the office. The first item was a circular to all home office staff outlining revised pension arrangements. The first point was a proposal to raise the retirement age to 65 in line with standard procedure in the Private Sector. Secondly, whilst the pension would remain index linked, it would no longer be based on final salary. Fortunately for me these arrangements were to apply to new staff and those who under, I think, 45. I think these arrangements have since been modified so that they apply to new staff only
Ironically, the next item I looked at was an email inviting applications from all staff in certain areas over the age of 55 to apply for early retirement to assist with downsizing certain areas especially so called back office locations. The deal was you left with a pension payable immediately although not a full pension. It would be based on the service you had done. In my case this meant a pension about 10% less than I would have achieved.
I hadn't been happy in my particular post for some time so I felt this was an opportunity to good to miss.
We downsized as we still had a large mortgage. In fact we had remortgaged to put the kids through University and to carry out much needed repairs to our rather tired 1960s house.
We now live in a little mews (terraced we used to call them) property on a modern development. We are a tad older than the average round here but I have been struck by the number of people of around my age who have no visible means of support as it were. They come from a variety of backgrounds.
Organisations of all types will find it convenient or expedient to offer early retirement especially when they are looking to lose staff. Some-one I know was working for a large chemical company and he told me he had been "ventilated." A down sizing operation was going on and this was blocking advancement opportunities for promising junior staff. He, like me, was in a middle management position and had probably gone as far as he was likely to go.
Have a look round your local superstore. We were in a large M & S the other day and my wife said look at how many middle aged guys were working as shelf stackers, till staff and even in the coffee shop. I work part time for a local estate agent mostly delivering junk mail. On my rounds I see blokes like me delivering free newspapers or other junk mail.
Finally, and I know I have gone on a bit, I used to do a fair bit of recruitment work in my last job. I lost count of the number of fairly senior staff from a whole range of organisations who were applying for pretty menial jobs in the civil service.
The official retirement age is rising but firms will always want to get rid of dead wood or to downsize. I fell into both categories but at least i had a choice and a decent pension so I count my blessings.
Hope that goes some way to explaining the gap between political rhetoric and reality.
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MerseyMog

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Posted At: 09/03/2007 20:53:28
I can only speak from my own experience. I was made redundant in August 2005 after over 36 years with the same company at the age of 61. I did not ask for or choose this option and have tried very hard to find another job in the same line of work (IT). I did eventually get a job last September but for whatever my new employers decided that I was not suited so after 4 months I was told to go; a decision I felt both hasty and unfair. My options are to look for a job far below my capabilities and not using my skillset or as I am to keep trying for IT work which I probably won't find. I am one of the lucky ones almost at retiring age and able to afford early retirement. The healthy option for me is to accept my lot and use my time to do what I want to. Different people retire early for a variety of reasons. Some through choice because the daily commute to a job you do not enjoy takes it out of you. The majority because many employers simply do not like older workers; in IT you are often regarded as past it at 40 let alone 60.
I shall take take up art, walking and the other things work left no time for.
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12Michael

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Posted At: 09/03/2007 21:10:19
I did but found that trying to keep or get a job with my skills are becoming less. If you had a massive pension and lump sum you maybe OK.
It can be a mistake retiring early, whether its goverment based work, I remember having come out of RAF after 9 years, found the then labour government decide dto offer golden handshakes to people with experience and skills, but now labour are either more interested in self than people that put them there, Its not a government running the country it a load of pansies
Just think you have 16-25 year olds who do not want a job, but know how to get money for nothing, saying they have illnesses when fit to get incapacity benefits, just tell there doctor things and get all advice on what they can claim, yet people who have workd 40 plus years are treated less fortunate, maybe Blair and his namcy boys better get there act together or visions they have may not happen
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MerseyMog

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Posted At: 10/03/2007 07:40:46
One thing I forgot certainly in the private sector you do not always get the option of early reitrement on halfway decent terms. When I was made redundant in 2005 I asked if instead of redundancy we could discuss genuine early retirement options with part of even all of the redundancy settlement being factored into the company pension. The company would not even discuss it though it would have cost them little or nothing in real terms.
Gone are the days when employers offered almost a full pension to anyone over 55. Loyalty, length of service and just plain decent practice count for little these days.
Gordon.
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12Michael

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Posted At: 10/03/2007 08:28:30
Gordon,
I agree at most intreveiws I have had since early retirement, most people are either inexperienced at giving them, some I have had to stand up, and inone case a cleaning job with Honda F1 which never happened the person who I was supposed have seen for the contractors did not hav e5 minutes for me.Ill mannered and no experience, they seem to forget up to a point you are a customer, and you are judging them as much as they seem to judge you.
It seems the way the country is going, sinking fast, Blair is still having party in number 10 with his stars, and seems to forget what reality is.
Maybe when he gets his lordship in this years queens birthday honours and george bush becomes an honoury sir will he be happy, but he can retire as an MP with a pension of £150000 per year, plus all the other added on ones.
Mick
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Mpo

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Posted At: 10/03/2007 10:07:00
12Michael makes a very interesting and highly relevant point. As I said in my earlier post, I did a fair amount of recruitment interviewing in my last job. Some was internal where we interviewed people, usually sent by Job Centre Plus, for low grade clerical positions. Some was using an external recruitment agency where I would sit on a board chaired by a professional recruitment consultant. One particular consultant was extremely experienced and highly proficient at exposing people's weaknesses but she seemed to have a clear prejudice against older applicants, especially if they had occupied senior positions in either public or private sectors. Always polite but insistent and probing, she could literally pull people apart.
In more informal discussions with her she told that experience had shown her that many, not all, senior people back on the job market were there for a reason - she always asked herself - why has this company/organisation let this person go? It was unnerving how often she seemed to get it right. I often questioned my own attitudes too and I am not sure I could put my hand on my heart and say that I wasn't swayed by a bright young thing conveying enthusiasm and hope as opposed to a slightly world weary cynicism. In other words, I, in my 50s, was possibly prejudiced against my own age group.
We did recruit a number of second career people and I find they came into 2 very distinct categories. Excellent or completely disastrous with little in between. Those who did best were those who could reconcile themselves to the fact that they were no longer in a senior position (often their line managers would be young enough to be their kids) but were still able to deploy their life and work experience to good effect even becoming excellent mentors. The polar opposite, and I have come across a few of these, were those who resented their newly junior position and would seek to undermine their managers. They would frequently hark back to when they were a big shot in such and such an organisation. The response, sometime tacit but often spoken, was "but you are not now."
I do a pretty low grade part time job now. I am happy to take orders from the manager who is younger than either of my daughters although it helps that I work mainly on my own! It also helps that I am not reliant on it to put food on the table. I find doing a job outdoors with little or no responsibility curiously liberating after years of management.
So, if I have any advice, it is put the past behind you when seeking a second career.
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Diamond

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Posted At: 10/03/2007 17:00:07
I took early retirement at 50 with a pretty good pension and a husband still in full time employment. A salary was not necessary for me and I was able to work for 7 years, 3 days a week as a volunteer for a large charity. I got such tremendous job satisfaction that if my circumstances should alter, then I would certainly go back and continue working until I can no longer do so.
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Youngbrum

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Posted At: 15/03/2007 19:10:38
I retired by at the age of 59, the alternatives were to look for job with another company or go to northern China on a three year power station contract. Working for several companies over the years meant I didn’t have much in the way of pensions. So to fund our retirement we started share dealing in a small way with absolutely no experience. Well it worked, and as well as providing our income it’s totally fascinating and at time exciting.
At first I felt guilty at not going to work, but now do very rewarding voluntary work, and help son-in-law out with his business when the need arises.
We have never regretted me retiring at 59 and are enjoying every minute of the freedom that retirement brings.
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12Michael

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Posted At: 16/03/2007 07:02:52
What early retirement, maybe nice, but you stil if not working to get those essential NI credits for your state pension.
And even with a early retirement, up to 60, those NI contributions count.
You may not qulify for any Job seekers allowance or incapicity benefits because of your pension, because yor pension is greater thaan the £54 the others get, you if savings are low and below £6000 in total including that taxable pension get housing and council tax benefit.
Thse are the lows of early reirement, when I took yes got a little JSA £4.50p a week, although having taken jobs where there are high staff turnovers, a chicken factory, with migrant workers galore, and Tesco, which have a high turnover of staff, and try to under cut others with prices.
Mick
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Merlina

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Posted At: 16/03/2007 10:30:05
I retired early if you can call it that. I found the stress at work was making my life a misery so weighed up the finacial situation and decided to resign. My pension was frozen until I was 60 but my husband worked until last August and we do not have a high life style. He too could have stayed on longer, but life can be very short. My father was fit as a flea until aged 59, when he discovered he had be dealt the blow of Parkinson's disease. He fought hard against it and did all he could whilst he still had time. However, the last ten years of his life were hell on earth for him and for me watching him die before my eyes inspite of all the care I took of him.
My motto now is - make the best of the time you have, you never know what's round the corner. Work life is a cut throat business at the best of times now. There is not the loyalty from employers for doing good work. Unless you honestly, really need the money, get out and LIVE. I find the freedom every day to do or not to do what you want after 42 yrs of hard slog in Public Service is enough No-one ever came back from the grave saying "I wish I'd had more time at the office".
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Mpo

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Posted At: 16/03/2007 16:30:04
I agree with you Merlina. I would say, however, it does depend on your attitude to your job. If you are doing something you love, why not carry on? The problem is, that for most of us, work is something we do to live and not the other way round. Reflecting on my time at work, it was the last 2 years that got me down so when the offer came I needed little persuading. I am fortunate enough, though, to have some fond memories of work and some very good friends from my working life who I still see regularly.
It wasn't all bad but I wouldn't go back!
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Sagahof

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Posted At: 20/06/2007 13:00:19
Reading through past posts Strawb and interested in your social observations , i took it (early retirement , very early 40) really bad working environment here now , if you have been away from it , it has changed , not very nice .
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Sheila

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Posted At: 20/06/2007 13:15:58
I agree with Merlina...I took early retirement three years ago to rid myself of the stress and pressures of work and have never looked back. Financially I was lucky as my husband was still working and he continued to pay my NI stamp for me and I also have a Company Pension so it has worked well for me.
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Innes

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Posted At: 20/06/2007 21:01:13
Early retirement
Love it to the full . I got early retirement from Bass Brewers here in Glasgow after 32 good years . At 57 when i got it. I love life to the full. I joined the army at 16 came out at 25 went to work for Bass here in my town off birth. They asked me if i wanted to join there pension i said ok Now i cant look back a nice Lump sum and a good pension .i work 2 days a week with tescos a monday and tuesday. I had my head screwed on . Cheers Alex
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Paul Sherville

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Posted At: 07/07/2007 23:24:39
Can someone please explain to me why so many people in the UK take (or are given?) early retirement? Does this mean that youngsters find it easier to get a job? What is the reason behind it and is it generally considered a good thing? Thanks for your answers.
Ros
Hi Folks,
Speaking personally, there were two reasons at the time as to why I took early retirement years ago; one was that we were made an offer we couldn't (sensibly) refuse of index linked final salary pensions with service enhancement. The second reason though was the clincher; as a college lecturer, I had entered the profession years before naively believing that I could help young people develop their careers.
Sadly, as the years went by, it became ever more apparent that the paperwork and administration became much more important than the teaching, so I called it quits, and have since developed a fascinating new career as a careers advisor, meeting all sorts of fascinating people in practically every situation under the sun.
Once again, sadly, because of the way that the service is financed, we are faced with the situation where the documentation is fast becoming more critical than providing the advice and level of service that I would like to provide the clients with. Why is everything so wrapped up in paperwork these days? Twenty years ago, we were promised that computers would "do away" with paperwork; instead of which it has multiplied 100-fold - "stop the world - I want to get off!"
Best wishes to all you retirees out there,
Paul
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MalSaunders

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Posted At: 25/07/2007 22:40:34
Hi All. I took early retirement in December 05 five years early. I was in teaching and loved the children, loved being in my classroom and actually teaching, if only it was that simple.I became more and more stressed with the paperwork,targets to met and the pressures I was putting on the kids and myself. Enough was enough. I had to accept a reduced pension . Although I was worried about money I have never regretted my decision. Mal x
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Paul Sherville

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Posted At: 25/07/2007 23:29:30
Hi Mal!!
A kindred spirit! Clearly, teaching suffers in the same way that FE suffers!
Have you noticed how people, former colleagues especially, say something along the lines of "My! you're looking well!" ???????
Enjoy your well-earned retirement, it is just such a shame that the education system has lost your skills, talents and experience, but that is their problem now - not yours!
All best wishes
Paul
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sagalassie

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Posted At: 26/07/2007 00:31:01
Me too!
When the early retirement bus came along....I jumped on it! Teaching was wonderful, the system was not! Meetings, reports, paperwork, targets, tests.....all pretty much irrelevant to what I was trying to achieve in my artroom.
My husband and I 'ran away' from the South East to Cornwall, for five glorious years, then did it again....to Scotland. I thought I would miss the teaching, but I don't. I have forged a whole new way of life. I'm widowed now, but life is still great, in a different kind of way.
Early retirement was one of the best nettles that I grasped!
Sandra
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Issy

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Posted At: 26/07/2007 14:15:19
Yet another one here!. I agree Mal, when in the classroom with the children, doing what we were paid to do i.e. TEACHING! it was great, loved it. But when the paperwork, extra staff meetings, political correctness,etc. became more important I knew it was time to go (at 56) Haven't regretted it for a minute.
Issy
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