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Classical Music Club
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15/04/2007
Robbyem

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This is intended to be a transfer of the Topic that was on the General Discussion Forum under the 'Hall of Fame' name.
Feel free to add any comments you wish on the subject of Classical Music.
Robby
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ukquilter

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Posted At: 03/07/2009 17:19:43
Our Music Club met this week. Someone from a nearby club, with a very personal selection of music. He played a fascinating piece by a Spanish 17th-century composer, Ribayaz. Very much in the folk idiom, beautifully rhythmical. We all made a note of his name and vowed to look at Amazon. Well, there is plenty of music by him, but of course we should have taken the name of the cd as well, as there is no way of identifying the piece from the brief details Amazon gives. Only one thing for it - I'll have to get his phone number and ask!
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Bud

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Posted At: 10/07/2009 10:14:11
Re Ribayaz and Amazon.
Here's a useful general tip: Amazon US (but not Amazon UK) put online samples of most of the albums available for sale.
For instance, you can hear parts of 20 of the 23 tracks on Spanish Dances by Ribayaz: Spanish Dances by Ribayaz
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Fern50

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Posted At: 10/07/2009 11:14:51
Thanks, Bud  - that is a brilliant tip, especially for when I'm trying to track down a piece of music when I know the composer, but not the work. How do you do the link? I've had a couple of failed attempts...
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ukquilter

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Posted At: 10/07/2009 12:44:13
Thank you so much, Bud. That's so useful. I have to say I had no problem clicking on that link, but sometimes those blue babies don't work at all, and I have no idea why.
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amron

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Posted At: 15/07/2009 11:57:42
Last Sunday I went to a concert at the Royal Albert Hall - 'A National Day of Singing' with The Really Big Chorus which was in aid of The Alzheimer's Society.The 3000 strong choir was made up of choirs from all over the country and some from abroad too and the only rehearsal they had together was on the morning and afternoon of the the Sunday when it was performed in the evening. It was just wonderful! In the first half of the concert the choir performed Vaughan Williams' O Be Joyful In The Lord and that was followed by the orchestra performing Butterworth's Banks of Green Willows, Vaughan Williams' The Lark Ascending and his English Folk Songs suite. In the second half the choir sand John Rutter's Requiem conducted by the man himself. The solo violin was played by Thomas Gould who was simply amazing and although I have several versions of that piece on CD, I have never heard it played so beautifully. He is a young man, having graduated from the Royal Academy of music as recently as 2006 but one of the best violinists I have heard in a long time.
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ukquilter

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Posted At: 15/07/2009 13:09:41
It sounds wonderful - boy oh boy, you do get around. I love English music. Not necessarily more than other stuff, but it does have a particular colour and atmosphere about it.
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amron

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Posted At: 15/07/2009 13:24:43
Hi Ukq, yes I love English music too and The Banks of Green Willow has to be my favourite piece of English music. Each time I hear it, without fail,it conjures up a picture in my mind of leafy lanes, meadows full of flowers and, of course, banks of green willow. It is such a pity that so many of our composers died at an early age in the wars., Butterworth for example died when he was only 31 in the First World War and he was an avid collector of English folk songs such a loss when we could have had so many more compositions had he lived.
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ukquilter

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Posted At: 15/07/2009 19:32:32
We have a lot to thank the collectors of folk songs for. What an inspiration. I am particularly fond of those that travelled across the Pond into places like the Appalachians, collected by Percy Grainger and others. And, of course, how they inspired composers, both here and over there. Paul Robeson's friend (think his name was Laurence Brown) was an African American who collected songs from that community and brought hundreds of spirituals to the notice of the rest of us.
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peter2007

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Posted At: 19/07/2009 20:53:40
Went to a concert at The Wigmore Hall yesterday, which included Michael Nyman playing some of his own compositions, (which is why I had to go!) including music from 'The Piano' and an arrangement of 'If' for piano, flute and trumpet - excellent stuff.
Isn't it great to be able to see and hear the composer playing his work? Wouldn't it have been amazing to have been in the same hall as Shostakovitch or Tchaikovsky?
Who have you seen perform his music live?
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ukquilter

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Posted At: 20/07/2009 12:58:49
I haven't! Lucky you.
Did you see the First Night of the Proms? I was quite interested in some of the pieces, particularly the Tchaikovsky piano concerto, which was completely unknown to me.
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amron

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Posted At: 21/07/2009 17:22:55
Peter, I too like the music of Michael Nyman and that sounded like a wonderful concert.
I went to see John Rutter conduct his Requiem last weekend but one at the Albert Hall in London and it was fantastic.
Last Sunday evening I went to a concert at a local church which was described as ' a selection of great sacred music' and it was excellent. I particularly enjoyed Cesar Franck's Panis Angelicus, Kodaly's Evening Song and Howard Goodall's The Lord is My Shepherd - now known as the theme from the Vicar of Dibley. The organ was played by the organist from Manchester Cathedral and the soloist was Lois Murray a lady I have heard singing on several occasions and who has a wonderful voice.
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Derek Brundish

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Posted At: 22/07/2009 02:00:31
Well, not being able to sleep, I eventually got round to looking up you lot and saw someone had not been on the site for a month. I can beat that, 6 May was my last posting. Have been very busy - heard that before? At the last posting, The English Arts Chorale were about to perform at Chichester Cathedral. Well, that went off well - we actually made a profit and, considering the prices the Cathedral charge for anything they can think of, that was some feat.
Since that, we've been very active. We went to Barcelona with the Sussex Festival Chorus at the end of May and gave three concerts, all enthusiastically received - it seems they don't get much decent live music in that city. Horsham Chamber Choir gave the four Handel Coronation Anthems in June and we just stood in for the Cathedral Choir for the weekend at Worcester - very enjoyable if very hard work (previously we've done Hereford and Bristol - Lincoln lined up for 2011).
The English Arts Chorale is on show this Saturday at St Mary's Reigate if you're at a loose end:- Lauridsen Lux Aeterna, Rutter Gloria and Gabrielli In Ecclesiis complete with yards of brass including Crispin Steele-Perkins also some music for brass ensemble. Sunday, in Arundel Cathedral, if you're free, Sussex Fesitval Chorus are doing Puccini's Messa di Gloria and Rossini's Stabat Mater. If you like opera, just come along.
Talking of opera, we've joined up as Friends of English National Opera. We went to the dress rehearsal of L'Amour de loin. If you're thinking of going, don't. This must be the first time I have ever not enthused about anything on this chat site. The critic in the Indy said it suffered from 'a fatal lack of drama' though I can put it much more succintly - Boring. Three hours of low energy meandering. Far more interesting was the background of Cirque du Soleil personnel acting out the other two-thirds of the characters (each character, three in number, was represented by three presences, one vocal and two 'Cirque'. The next night we saw Cosi and it was really an extremely good production.
We also sang with the Dorchester Festival Chorus in the Abbey last month (Mozart Requiem) and, even if the performers outnumbered the audience (45 to 20), we had a good evening with a really outstanding performance of the Bach Double Violin Concerto from the Sinfonia di Chiesa. Shame about the failure of the marketing campaign.
Again, looking ahead, EAC are doing the Rachmaninov Vespers (again) in All Saints, Hove on Saturday 21 November. This is along with ten professional singers from Russia so it will be authentic with some meaty bottom B flats, better than we can produce. Look into www.englisharts.org now and again to see what's on.
Sleep well
Derek
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ukquilter

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Posted At: 22/07/2009 11:28:37
I think the production of ENO's that I would run screaming from if it was suggested I go is Peleas and Melisande. It was lit so poorly, and instead of being moody was merely gloomy. We could vaguely see figures rolling around together on the floor and a voice saying Melisande, Melisande every so often, but the musical experience was not one I'd want to repeat. We've got something booked for late autumn, but can't think off - yes I can - Rite of Spring combined with x - the top of my head the second piece.
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Teragram

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Posted At: 22/07/2009 16:35:06
Our annual Meet up in Buxton went off very well last Saturday despite the poor weather and again many thanks to those of you who were able to join us for the occasion. My short visit to Buxton was also arranged to coincide with the Festival and I had tickets for two operas taking place. On the Saturday evening following our Meet up, I saw 'Lucrezia Borgia' by Donizetti and on the Monday evening, Mozart's 'Mitridate, re di Ponto', his first opera which is rarely performed.
The music and singing for both operas were superb, period instruments being used for 'Mitridate' but for me this opera was completely spoilt by the set which should have been designed to be in keeping with the era of the story and not some modern equivalent. The whole opera took place in the 'War Room' and the props comprised two huge wooden desks containing several laptop computers, three large wide screen television monitors suspended from the ceiling with two more on the stage which constantly showed scenes taking place on the stage and/or the text translated and towards the end of the opera a number of extremely brightly lit fluorescent tubes were hung down from the ceiling representing the destruction being caused by the enemy at the city walls. Laptops, television monitors and bright fluorescent lights seemed totally out of place against Mozart's beautiful music coming from the orchestra pit and I felt I wanted to shut my eyes. I noticed several people in the row in front of me in the stalls did cover their eyes against this garish light and the people next to me were also not very impressed with the whole set. One lady immediately in front walked out in the interval and didn't return, so I feel representations should be made as it ruined what could have been a superb performance.
I know there is a tendency nowadays to try to 'modernize' opera in the hope, I suppose of making it more popular but in my opinion it is simply 'defacing' it and lowering the standard. After all, when we go to an art gallery we expect to see the original works, not 'modern' versions of the original, so what is the difference? There are plenty of composers around who are capable of writing modern operas with modern settings without tampering with the great opera masterpieces and, in my opinion, setting these great operas against the correct background is extremely important as it makes or breaks the whole performance. In future I will try to avoid any traditional operas staged by Simon Corder, the Designer who is apparently known for his art work and fluorescent pieces!
I'll reply to some of your postings another time but can't stop now as I have other matters to attend to.
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Candy

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Posted At: 23/07/2009 10:06:32
Oh Teregram, I know how you feel - I absolutely hate the classics being given a modern 'makeover' - why can't these people leave well alone and try writing some stuff of their own if they need to have this kind of thing - (truth is they're probably not capable of doing so)
I haven't been on here for a while and can't possibly reply to all the very interesting posts everyone's been making.
What I can do, however, is offer up yet another 'plug' for one of my favourite (and little known) composers - Ermanno Wolf-Ferrari - this time with his La Dama Boba
The Backward Girl
Hope you enjoy it
    
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ukquilter

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Posted At: 23/07/2009 14:49:13
T - I must have mentioned previously the Otello I saw where they were all dressed up in camouflage fatigues and with that black stuff on their faces. It took us ages to figure our which one was Otello.
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Teragram

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Posted At: 23/07/2009 21:49:12
UKQ and Candy
I'm glad you understand my feelings about this 'modernizing' of classical opera which completely ruined Mozart's 'Mitridate' for me the other evening. I know there are financial restrictions in producing these operas and I wasn't expecting to see the 'full works' but neither was I expecting to see the extremely modern props and stage setting I mentioned earlier which, in my opinion, was totally out of place against the superb music and singing. This designer (and others) should stick to designing sets for modern operas if they are not able to adapt their style to create something more in keeping for the classical operas.
Thanks, Candy, for your Wolf-Ferrari piece which is very nice. Since you first mentioned him on here some time ago, I've now heard one or two of his pieces on Classic FM but they do seem to be seldom played which is a pity as he wrote some good music.
Derek
Nice to see you back again, Derek. My goodness, you have been busy. No wonder you haven't been around for a while! Good to hear of the success of The English Arts Chorale at Chichester Cathedral which resulted in a profit. Well done.
Sorry you and Sue were unable to join us for our Meet up in Buxton which was most enjoyable. Next year there is a slim chance we may hold it in London to enable some of our southern contributors to come, if they so wish. It's early days yet though and it does depend on my personal plans.
Peter
I can imagine you thoroughly enjoyed the concert you went to recently at The Wigmore Hall which included Michael Nyman playing his own music. Now, if Mozart had been there ..... That, of course, isn't possible, so I just have to be content with listening to his music instead and thank goodness most of it was preserved.
Going back to Michael Nyman, since you introduced his music to me last year with your selection for our Concert, I have heard several more of his pieces on Classic FM, including the following one just before I went up to Buxton for the Festival and our Meet up and I must say I rather like this piece, Memorial. I believe I read somewhere that he adapted it from something Purcell wrote and if this is correct, probably explains why I like it as I like most of Purcell's music.
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ukquilter

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Posted At: 24/07/2009 11:43:38
Yes, T, it must be relatively easy to simplify sets and staging without doing daft things. I must say I did enjoy the 1920s setting of The Mikado, which is an exception to my heart-sinking moments.
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Tantris

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Posted At: 24/07/2009 17:20:31
There is one aspect of irritating producers which gets my goat. Opera is not cheap and to get good seats can mean booking months ahead, long before it is possible to know what a production will be like (unless you already know something about the producer). This means that you are in a cleft stick. Wait until you know what you are going to get and there are no good seats left; book good seats early and you could have wasted money on a stinker of a performance.
I am taking something of a four-fold chance by going to see The Ring on four consecutive nights next week with Gergiev and the Mariinski. It was a case of booking all four or none. At least Gergiev is not too enamoured of the deep meaningful insights of some modern producers and so I can but hope.
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ukquilter

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Posted At: 24/07/2009 17:57:42
The Guardian was very enthusiastic about The Ring today. Have a wonderful time.
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